Bladensburg Peace Cross the latest target of Humanists

 
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Bladensburg Peace Cross the latest target of Humanists

The Humanists are at it again, this time offended by a peace cross that has stood in its current location since 1925.  Fox DC reports:

DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG

The emblem in the middle of the cross is actually the American Legion emblem.  We're the ones who actually put it up.  And there were a few reports in the news that quoted local legionnaires.  From the Hyattsville Newspaper:

According to Dane Weber, club manager at the Colmar Manor American Legion, the cross was maintained by a Hyattsville American Legion post until 1957 when the Prince George's County Circuit Court transferred it to the state of Maryland, which then handed it off to the M-NCPPC to administer. 

Weber has lived just about all of his life in Colmar Manor, except for his service in Vietnam. He served as a door gunner on Army helicopters between 1967 and and 1969. During that time, Weber said he participated in some of the bloodiest conflicts of the war, including the Tet Offensive and the Battle of Saigon. 

Twice a year, Weber's group attends memorial services at the Peace Cross. He doesn't understand why the AHA has singled out the Bladensburg memorial. 

"Get a life. Do something. Why pick on the veterans? Probably the majority of them have never been in the service, or if they were they weren't on the front lines" said Weber....

"All crosses are not necessarily about God," said Weber. "You find a lot of cemeteries, especially in Europe for World War II, and they put crosses on them, just to honor the people who died there."

Personally, I don't think the Humanists on this one are going to do well.  The facts in this case are probably as good as we will ever see in one of these cross cases.  I suspect the court will rely heavily on the Van Orden v. Perry decision from the Supreme Court that factored in a sort of "historicity" of the monument.  This thing has been up since 1925, it's not as if some vengeful Christian erected it last Tuesday just to anger the Humanists. 

We'll be filing an amicus brief on this case as well, since we clearly have an interest in it.  We'll have more in the future.

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I don't like blogs that get off the subject. But comments on other comments really smacks of worthless time, but this one takes a piece of the cake. Where's your real name? Are you yourself "not verified"? It is good that you see I to I about business. May God bless you anyway.

To say a Humanist does not believe in anything is not true; they believe everyone should not believe in anything. Ironically, this IS a belief in and of itself.
The First Amendment does not state people's beliefs in conflict with another's beliefs can not be publically stated, displayed etc. Rather, it states that the government may not impose a specific belief upon the people as Great Britain did (Henry VIII establishing the Church of England and making it the official religion of the nation).
To deny any expression of personal beliefs is as wrong as forcing your beliefs onto someone else. The Humanist's have a right to set up whatever memorial they wish; leave other's alone.
I don't recall this bunch arguing that I should be allowed to put a political statement on my private auto or sign in my yard until after I had retired from the Air Force. Used to be thought it would unduly influence my subordinates. What's the difference now? Are the Humanists afraid the Memorial might unduly influence them?

I grew up in that area. Moved to Il in 1966. I went to bladensburg H.S. class of 1956. Quit in 1954 and enlisted in the USN because all my buddies joined up. We all got out in 58-59 and used to hang areoun the dixie pig -xroads- 4400 club- marinos? surf club. Our old stomping grounds. Charlie Daniles used to play at the "pig" until it closed around 61 or 62. I am saddened to hear about these losers who dont have a life- if anybody gets their addresses let me know-Ill come and "protest" at their homes with you.Later guys and gals, tom peters -American Legion Post- 0171-crystal lake, Illinois

Stay out of our business! That means VETS, Christians and all those who believe what this country was founded on. YOUR the traitors. Let's bring YOU to justice. Disappear and die!!!!!

TK,

You spelled YOU'RE wrong.

I'm also curious as to how this is your business and not the Legion's. The American Legion put up the cross. I would imagine that would make it the Legion's business. In the United States, freedom of speech allows us to make anything our business.

Now you could move to Russia. They believe in blocking free speech and having those that disagree with them "Disappear and die!!!!!".

I forgive you TK. It's obvious you're off of your meds.

Leave it to the legion to get everyone all stirred up! I'm an atheist and a legion member. Many of these comments are so intolerant that I'm sure that if Jesus existed he would be ashamed of them. Leave the gawd-damned cross alone, it's got tenure! I recall six months before 911 watching footage of the Taliban destroying ancient Buddhist statues with artillery shells because they didn't know how to do a proper demolition. This situation is no different. I understand the humanists point of view especially in light of these provocative comments but history is history, deal with it. Learn from it. Speaking of history, this was NEVER a christian country and I hope it never is! (Now you pig eating, pederast, cross wielders can come for me with your torches, pitchforks and "christian love")!

As an Atheist and veteran with 25 years of active military service, I don't personally have a problem with the monument. However, The USA is not a Christian Nation, it is a secular nation. That was the intent of the founding fathers and holds true today despite ongoing religious persecution and judgement of non-Christians, non-believers, and others.

It's suits us all to take any attack on our freedom from any direction very seriously. Many of you here are Vets and have seen first hand what a dictator ship or socialist ideology can do to a country and it's people. It matters not what the low information 'Free Thinkers' say, this is our monument and we shall defend it being where it has stood for decades. The emblem in the center is the American Legion, Key word here 'American'. If they want to go the distance, someone please find out who they are, and Post their name, city and towns. In the meantime, AL Riders should prepare for a rally around the monument, and anywhere these morons dare to appear. I will post story and link to the appropriate web pages. Stay Strong.

It's suits us all to take any attack on our freedom from any direction very seriously. Many of you here are Vets and have seen first hand what a dictator ship or socialist ideology can do to a country and it's people. It matters not what the low information 'Free Thinkers' say, this is our monument and we shall defend it being where it has stood for decades. The emblem in the center is the American Legion, Key word here 'American'. If they want to go the distance, someone please find out who they are, and Post their name, city and towns. In the meantime, AL Riders should prepare for a rally around the monument, and anywhere these morons dare to appear. I will post story and link to the appropriate web pages. Stay Strong.

The only time any self-proclaimed Christians tried to set up a religion was the advent of bad popes
with their Inquisition which Martin Luther was big in defeating. If you guys don't like us, you can
find great friends in Iran and mid-east. Oh, yes, nearly all of the crosses in Europe from WW 2 were
indeed those of Christians fighting for everyone's freedom. AND we do NOT have a state religion here.

With todays government (Left) I wouldn't be surprised that they would say to remove the cross. All I ask for is ten minutes alone in a room with that Humanist #+*#_*^#. Former S/Sgt. Dave D. Michigan.

Humanist should go to Nam start a war at the time of Tet and I guaranty they will start to believe in some kind of a God. This chunk of cement is not a religious symbol. Its a memorial to dead men who made it possible for them to ask for it to be removed. Look at the cross on top of your local church and see what a religious symbol looks like. Two words for you people the first one is a verb and the second one is a pronoun.

I am a both a Korean War Vet and a Vietnam War Vet! I am also a VFW member and an American Legion member. I take great offense against the "Humanist (Organization)" wanting to force the Government to take down that Cross honoring U.S. Veterans who have given their lives for the USA! There were veterans of every Religion, Race, and Athiests who fought in all of our wars who gave their lives and/or are still suffering from the effects of giving their all for the USA! I notice even comments from Humanists who were veterans and probably some who also gave their lives and are also still suffering from some of those effects. Why do the ones who are still alive not agreeing with
alive against taking the Cross down??? Because unlike the main Humanist Organization they do not agree with taking down the Cross that honors all veterans!

Why are they just now wanting this done after 80 some years? Bunch of dumb asses! They need to get the hell out of the United States!

Actually, the christians have no monopoly on the use of the cross. It predates christianity by many millennia back to the stone age. It has been an astrological and astronomical symbol, the symbol of the four elements (earth, wind fire and water), the symbolization of the quartering of the universe into active and passive principles, and many other meanings some lost to history. What amazes me is the venom of the so called christians in this comments section calling for banishment and blood for anyone who disagrees with their narrow-minded perspective.

I am one of those filthy humanists/ atheists.Also a Vietnam vet ('67-'68). I have spent 100's of hours and thousands of dollars volunteering at the local VFW and American Legion. And you want me to pack up and move to Russia?

Thank you for your service and love and tolerance.

Richard James

If this was in Arizona, The Governor mwould have taken it down her self ! This is a Real disgrace to all Military and United States Of America Citoizen's. That 1 group can do or try to do such a Dishonor to our Fallen soilder's is burning a hole in my Heart ! How dare they persicute this Great Memorial of WW 1. How can a person become so mean in there own Heart, that they turn on our Millitary to get a high!

If atheists weren't so cheap they would erect their own monuments and let people sort it out for themselves. They would spend their money to advance their beliefs instead of attacking others. I am dealing with an increasingly aggressive form of atheism that like the Soviets do not believe people should have the right to choose a belief system for themselves.

...Glass houses... RonFrumAmaireeka (really...) Had you not noticed every blogger is "not verified"... and who the hell are you to throw the word coward around. God knows YOUR face!

"Ohhh,... the Humanity!"

Did the government erect this cross? NO. It was build by private citizens who had served in the military as a memorial to those who were lost. After many years, this cross was given to the state of Maryland. It has nothing to do with politics or the so called separation of church and state. There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution or any Amendments that even mentions the separation of church and state. There is no law enforcing the separation of church and state. IF it were a federal law the government would be breaking their own laws. It would be totally ILLEGAL for judges, mayors, or any government official to conduct civil weddings. Marriage licenses, if they existed, would be issued only by churches or other religious bodies. The U.S. Capitol would not have an official chaplain paid by the government, the doors leading into the Supreme Court chamber would not bear the Ten Commandments, the frieze above the enterance of the Supreme Court building showing Moses receiving the Ten Commandments would have to be removed, etc. I am so sick of all this political correctness and talk about offending someone that I AM OFFENDED. Everyone is guaranteed by the Constitution to their own personal beliefs. Since I am a Christian and I don't shove my beliefs down your throat, DO NOT TRY TO SHOVE YOURS DOWN MINE! Beware of the p***ed off vet!

Amendment I of the U.S. Constitution:

CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof; or ABRIDGING the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

A simple reading of the U.S. Constitution would easily clear up this dispute. CONGRESS did not make a law to put the memorial cross on this site. Even then, the simple act of displaying an image that could be associated with religion is not ESTABLISHING a religion. Congress could display a Jewish Star of David, an American Indian symbol or a Wicca symbol if it so motivated them and it would not be ESTABLISHING a religion simply to display an article of such meaning. By forcing the government to remove the memorial cross, such act would be abridging freedom of speech of citizens and if the memorial cross was intentionally put there as a religious statement by anyone other than the government, the act of the government forcing it to be removed would prohibit the free exercise of religion by the citizens who placed it there.

When are we going to stop being "politically correct" with vocal protesters and instead adhere to our laws, particularly the law of the nation, the U.S. Constitution?

Anyone that seems to have problems with the display of religious symbols in this country should pray that sharia law never becomes the law of the land. If you do not follow the Prophet and the Koran you will not exist. Talk about a state religion! No freedom, no choice. Period.

As a disabled veteran I am totally frustrated with these organizations that demand their Constitutional Rights but they have the nerve to demand theirs, I am referring to the humanists this time complaining about the Bladensburg Cross honoring our dead veterans.

Thereby, violating the Ninth Amendment of the Constitution which reads thusly:" The enumeration of

This has pushed me to take action and I will, no longer will I just sit back and let these assaults on our Nations Memorials to our Veterans continue just because it is a cross. It is a historical monument that has stood since 1925. Because of this I have decided if these people win this case I will chain myself to this memorial and will not leave until I draw my last breath.

Dear Commander:
As a disabled veteran of the Korean War I am angry to no end about these organizations that attempt to impose their will on the people by trying to abolish the cross and any symbol of what we believe, used to honor our veterans in violation of the Constitutional rights they demand for themselves, this is a blatant violation of the Ninth Amendment which states unequivocally: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

It seems to me that we should remove all the crosses and Stars of David from all the Veteran's cemeteries in the U.S. and on foreign soil.. This only makes sense in the minds of those who oppose these revered symbols in the U.S. We might want to invite those who oppose these symbols to apply to place their symbols somewhere, or is their opposition a case of symbol-envy to match their other psychologically serious envies. One of the questions I would ask in this specific case is how many of the objectors are veterans?

Just a thought---If all the names on the monument are Christian would this not end the argument?

Not only is the Bladensburg Cross legitimate it is a moral imperative if you are an American. Let's look at the alternatives should we? Just start ripping anything historical down because it doesn't match some small special interest groups idea of a nuetral existence. Let's see, that includes the National Cathedral, every single war cemetary in the country, or all plain crosses everywhere. We just might offend somebody, someplace at sometime. Great, then we can move on to ancient religious statues around the world like the Taliban in Afghanistan or heck how bout ripping that giant Risen Christ off that mountain in Rio? I surely don't want anyone to be offended by a single belief of America. Get Real and grow beyond yourselves you so called humanists because that is not what the word means. Humanism is about the sensitivity to understand and tolerate those around you - not destroy the symbols of their belief and mold them into your ideal world. It's overused but we all know the name of someone else who tried quite hard to do that - Hitler!

I say put your money where your mouth is and come to the Peace Cross Demonstration, May 31, 2014 from 1 to 7pm Bring as many friends, family, bring your American Flags, Make signs and let's send a clear and defining message that We Americans will not allow the AHA to disgrace our Heroes, our veterans, our military. Come on Sheeple, time to wake up and get out there , just like those who gave their all, time for us to stand up and show how much we appreciate You Vets!

Kick their asses. And they are ALL ass for sure. And to "Top Commenter" Brent Thompson as an atheist you are squarely in league with the poorly named "humanists". You look cute and you talk cute but you are a liar - that is all.

Just one other thing. I read just 3 or 4 comments and I instantly remember why I so seldom post to these moronic tributes to mediocrity. Someone PROUDLY boasting they are an atheist or an agnostic or a queer ... this ship of fools are on a boat listing so drastically it will soon disappear beneath the waves.

At that point "Top Commenter" Brent Thompson will be on his knees praying for all he is worth which is nothing.

John P. McKenzie
Cosby, TN

Robert Trebatoski · Top Commenter · Principal at Thomas Benjamin Associates.

I do not like you Trebatoski.

True I read only 2 or 3 of your "top Comments". That was enough to determine that you are a pompous, cut and past moron.

I am John McKenzie. I live in Cosby, TN. I am 70.

You can have your so important pulpit back now. After calling you an ass I FEEL GOOD.

F U Pompous

I should not have done it. But I did. I went back and read 2 more of
"Robert Trebatoski · Top Commenter · Principal at Thomas Benjamin Associates"
inane posts.

My phone number Trebatoski is 423 608 4302. I do not like you. I do not like one bit about you.

YOU call me punk and I will set your stupid democratic politically correct pablum sucking sissy liberal ass straight. You and you "Top Comments" stink. Got any guts?

McKenzie

I should not have done it. But I did. I went back and read 2 more of
"Robert Trebatoski · Top Commenter · Principal at Thomas Benjamin Associates"
inane posts.

My phone number Trebatoski is 423 608 4302. I do not like you. I do not like one bit about you.

YOU call me punk and I will set your stupid democratic politically correct pablum sucking sissy liberal ass straight. You and you "Top Comments" stink. Got any guts?

McKenzie

Our country is a country where we are free to exercise whatever religion we choose so long as it does not harm others. We have Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion. We are free to worship as we choose and to express our religion as we choose (subject to the "No Harm" clause). That goes for Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, LDS, etc. Nobody should be offended by any such action. I have no understanding of those who feel the expression of one's religion is offensive since the right to do so is covered in the U.S. Constitution (1st Amendment). I would have no problem fi, on the same sight a religious symbol of Muslims, or any other religion was erected to honor those who fell in battle. Nor would I have a problem if an Atheist erected such a memorial. The focus should be on why the memorial was erected in the first place. To honor these men and women. The organization opposing this appears to have lost sight of that and of the meaning of "Freedom of Religion".

if the state has to remove all of its "religious" memorials, then isnt it endorsing "humanist" religion?

Hello,
My name is Kathy Davis, Cheif Organizer of " Save the Peace Cross Demonstration"
Please join us in our efforts to save our War Memorial. This will be the Second Demonstration and will be held at the Baldensburg Waterfront May 31, 2014 ...1pm - 7pm. We will have Veterans speaking, food, and free parking...Help us let the American Humanist Association know we are going to fight back, and this Disrespect of our Fallen Soldiers has got to STOP! If anyone needs more information, Copy of Demonstration Flier, Copy of Lawsuit or Map of Demostration Grounds, feel free to contact me via Facebook, "Save Our Historical Peace Cross in Bladensburg"
I can not leave my E-Mail on this page .
I have been involved in this effort from Day 1, when the Petition was filed in 2012, working with Dane Weber from Post 131 Colmar Manor, Attorneys, Public Relations and Park& Planning...
Thank you for your time and Support, and most of all for your SERVICE!
God Bless ~

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